Here's a question for Mr. Kelly during his upcoming discussion.
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Is Inova paying Ms. Paice, the attorney that purports to represent the Broadland's Citizens?

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on May 13, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm a Broadlands resident and I was totally unaware that Ms. Paice was representing me for anything. Huh. When was this decision made for my, and by whom?

Posted by technosapien (anonymous) on May 14, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Technosapien, Glenn likes to play loose with words because it gives him the opportunity to clarify (to the point of refuting his original post sometimes) when he gets caught up in his games.

There is a group of citizens who live in Broadlands who have an attorney. I have heard the woman speak at a Board meeting and she was very clear that she was retained by A group of citizens.

Not all the residents of the community. Not the HOA.

No one made any decision for you.

Some people made a decision for themselves.

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 14, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All 4000 of them, Barbara?
snicker......

Posted by honchonumberone (anonymous) on May 14, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dean, I haven't a clue how many are in the group--I don't belong.

It IS okay for people to protest an issue in their own community.

Right?

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 14, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The claim was that there were 4000 signatures. When asked to turn the document over for inspection....they said "Hell no!!"
Because they knew the pretense under which the signatures occurred. A few phone calls to individuals who actually signed would have revealed that....and they knew it.

Posted by honchonumberone (anonymous) on May 14, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dean, enlighten me. Is the "document" a petition? If not, who do they need to surrender it to? (Especially in Loudoun, where the petition as advocacy has been pretty much debased permanently).

What kind of document is it?

And who asked them to turn it over?

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 14, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Citizens group? Really? Certainly there are some concerned folks - and yes they have a right to have concerns and express them. What is interesting is who is funding them and backing them.

According to their own attorney, in this paper, http://loudounextra.washingtonpost.com/b...

"In an e-mail, Paice said that she has been formally retained and paid by the Concerned Citizens of Broadlands. “It is certainly no secret that Inova and my clients have compatible interests relating to their goal of opposing the construction of a large hospital in Broadlands. I absolutely expect my clients to seek sources other than their own wallets to fund my representation and I certainly expect them to seek financing from Inova, among others. I would be shocked if Inova turned them down.”

Further this relationship and co-press release with some California-based nurses association and their national partner has NOTHING to do with Broadlands and what's best for Loudoun County. Why would anyone care what a national union (even if it is representing amazing nurses) says about Loudoun County? They don't live here and they don't have our best interests in mind.

Posted by playingketchup (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This implies the attorney has no problem with the citizens group joining financial forces with Inova and other entities of like interests.

Which implies to me that is isn't illegal, or she wouldn't have said so for publication.

Does it prove that Inova is contributing? Doesn't seem to.

As for a nurse's union joining in, do they work out of HCA facilities? Interesting, if the nurses have a gripe with their employer. Does the fact that they issued a release prove they are funding the attorney too? Does it prove they are happy/unhappy with their employers?

Doesn't seem to, but it implies the possibility, which also implies some flaws in the "Inova evil, HCA GOOD" construct.

Do those who want the beds in Ashburn at any cost have the good of all of the county in mind? It would seem expediency has a hand in it, and some may be simply self-interested as well. Is that PROVEN to date? Doesn't seem to be.

If the group wrangling the petition has not yet presented it (waiting for the application to actually reach a public-input stage?), then it isn't public info yet. Who has the right to demand that it be tendered? Honcho? Ketchup? Who?

Maybe the petition people will take a lesson from the famous CLF petition, and simply cut and paste signatures to a sheet of paper to "protect" the signers from exactly the sort of phone calls Dean seems to think are a good idea:
"The claim was that there were 4000 signatures. When asked to turn the document over for inspection....they said "Hell no!!"
Because they knew the pretense under which the signatures occurred. A few phone calls to individuals who actually signed would have revealed that....and they knew it.
Posted by honchonumberone (anonymous) on May 14, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)"

Now, if I were Glenn (and knew what pretense Dean claims knowledge of), this might be a good time to say "conspiracy!"

Or we could just go back to the last round of this issue and watch the film of HCA rolling in carts of mailers they presented as a "petition" in favor of the Broadlands Medical Center, which were direct-mail advertising whose top box to check was "Yes! I want more information!"

A lot of people who sent that back had no clue they were presented in card form as supporting BMC.

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Barbara, I too have heard Ms. Paice speak at BOS meetings. She is a regular attendee of both public and semi-public county meetings that deal with HCA. She's racking up some serious hours on this assignment.
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Don't you find it bizarre that Donna Fortier, the Inova Community Affairs Director is always sitting with Ms. Paice at these meetings? They confer regularly during the meetings I've seen them at.
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Well, I am no Columbo, but it sure looks like a big clue to me.
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My guess is someone with very deep pockets is funding Ms. Paice, and I bet you it ain't the citizens of Broadlands.
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It took a lot of pressure and a lot of time before Donna was forced to reveal that she was being paid by Inova, and I suspect the same pattern will exist for Ms. Paice.
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It is disindigenous and deceptive to claim you are speaking for the Citizens of Broadlands without also revealing that you are being paid to speak for the interests of Inova.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"It took a lot of pressure and a lot of time before Donna was forced to reveal that she was being paid by Inova...Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)"

Stop right there Glenn.

You are well aware that Donna disclosed on the Broadlands forum several years ago that she had been offered a job by Inova and was considering taking it. She disclosed the OFFER of a position (which was not out of line with her background, as I believe she was a pharmaceutical rep) before she took it.

To continue to recycle this lie may seem effective from the standpoint of repeating things for the benefit of any uninformed who may be receptive, but it doesn't do you much good when you are proven wrong on it yet again.

Wasn't the last time you ran with this part of what got you banned from that forum?

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Barbara, I stand by my statement.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Then I suggest you refer to comment #414, page 42 of the main hospital thread, posted 1/08/04.

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Diversion tactic Barbara? Trying to divert the discussion away from Ms. Paice? This is deja vu.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice try Glenn.

You know, if you turn the mirror around, you'll have very agreeable company while you hide behind it!

;)

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting...the lack of disclosure that Donna Fortier is a paid "mouth piece" for Loudoun Inova continues to bring reasonable questions about Donna’s creditability on this topic.
…who is paying for this so called "concerned citizens of Broadlands" action group? The last count of actual clients was just north of 40 so it is a far stretch from the 4,000 signatures that Ms. Paice paraded in front of the BoS and various media outlets. Or is this more theatrics from Ms. Paice? I find it interesting a family law attorney would suddenly shift gears and take on such a cause. Interesting b/c about 8 months ago we had her firm on our short list for assistance with our adoption.

Donna certainly has a track record of hiding certain facts. But heck what do I know? I just live in Broadlands and have lurked in the background for years on this topic (until recently). Then I got fed up with Donna’s exaggeration of 2, 4 6+ years of her “dedication and commitment to this fight”. Should I bring up the medical waste photos she doctored? The mis-use of the BHOA logo? The continued lies from Donna’s camp is more than bountiful and history speaks for it’s self.

Posted by Ehodell (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Interesting...the lack of disclosure that Donna Fortier is a paid "mouth piece" for Loudoun Inova continues to bring reasonable questions about Donna’s creditability on this topic.Posted by Ehodell (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)"

Erika, the disclosure to her Broadlands neighbors occurred over four years ago, apparently.

"Donna certainly has a track record of hiding certain facts.Posted by Ehodell (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)"

If the issue is disclosure of her position at Inova, the facts would seem to belie your opinion.

"The mis-use of the BHOA logo?Posted by Ehodell (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)"

Didn't Cliff himself step in when you and Glenn recycled this on the community forum, and post that Donna had NOT misused her HOA position or HOA resources when wearing her citizen advocacy hat? I thought that was impressive, given how vehemently Cliff and Donna disagree on this issue.

That was when I saw Honcho at the Board too, stating verbatim what had been splashed all over the discussion board, as something he "had discovered" and he "had proof!"

"The continued lies...
Posted by Ehodell (anonymous) on May 15, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)"

You mean about Donna from a circle of opposing activists, some of whom also wear several hats? Erika, here I agree with you--it does seem to speak for itself.

Posted by BarbaraMunsey (anonymous) on May 16, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another excellent article from the Wall Street Journal re this issue:
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12109814...

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on May 19, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Build it and I will come!

Posted by cer10death (anonymous) on June 4, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Barbara, leave me out of this when I do not insert myself. Like your little buddy on the side is fond of saying...."I'll sue the crap outta you." :-)

Posted by honchonumberone (anonymous) on June 5, 2008 at 1:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dean, it is a fact you were at the Board speaking about the Broadlands hospital issue, It is a fact you referenced a member of the Broadlands HOA who worked for Inova, and who, according to you (and others) used HOA letterhead to advance her position.

What you said in so doing is a matter of record at the loudoun.gov webcasts page at:

http://loudoun.granicus.com/ViewPublishe...

where one may scroll down and select "View/Listen" for the Board of Supervisors' Public Input Session for Feb. 4, 2008, then pull the "seek" button across under the display screen to approximately 01:13:55.

I haven't the foggiest idea who you think my "little buddy on the side" is, but if you are threatening me electronically via this forum, I'd have to say that is profoundly stupid.

Especially after you've already been in court this year over that very thing.

Posted by barbara_munsey (anonymous) on June 5, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

p.s., Dean?

Get some sleep.

Posted by barbara_munsey (anonymous) on June 5, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh..I was in court alright. And there are several people who won't forget that I was anytime soon.
When the next one rolls around, I'm likely to go again.When you hold as much info as I do, you are wise not to pop it all out at once. I save the juiciest tidbits for the moments that absolutely demand them.
You don't have a sense of humor, do you, Barbara? I somehow knew it, but you just confirmed it.Lighten up, or you'll die old and bitter.

Posted by honchonumberone (anonymous) on June 6, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dean, is this another one of your "trapdoors"? Whatever.

I would bet I laugh a lot more often than you do, based on your postings. As I've said to you before, look in the mirror, and read your own words.

Posted by barbara_munsey (anonymous) on June 7, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)