Waters says "...I believe that such a facility should have been located closer to the population it seeks to serve..." I wonder where that is? It is always easy to palm off the problem onto people in other parts (read Sterling) of the county--and these Ashburn folks seem to be anxious to do so. But, you know, charity begins at home.......

Posted by kpschroe (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This does remind me of the Sam Kinnison routine where he screams "Your starving! This is a desert, Nothing grows out here! Nothing's going to GROW out here! We rented a U-Haul...pack up you S#$T and get in. We'll make ONE TRIP!"

Isn't that the idea here? Put the homeless shelter where the homeless people are? There aren't many in Ashburn, boys and girls!

Posted by cer10death (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The rumor and fear monger on this issue is absolutely out of control. GSA approach the Ashburn Farm Association with this issue six months ago. I also know they contacted numerous churches and other HOAs about their plans. GSA also walked door to door to speak with neighbors in the area. This is not a new development. Keep an open mind and I think once folks hear the other side of the story they'll see that GSA is actually providing a wonderful and greatly needed service. GSA has a 23 year history of providing services to Loudoun County and it's citizens. They have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Benefit of the doubt? I live within 2 blocks of the facility. No one came to my door or spoke with me about the facility. I understand that GSA is providing a service BUT wouldn't it be better served in an environment where the services are needed and do not have to bused in and out? That is a huge waste of resources.
By the way, where do you live? Would your children be playing within 2 blocks of convicted criminals?

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abcobman, a significant number of people who need services from GSA drive their cars to the facility. Additionally everyone, employees and homeless individuals, must pass a background check before they are allowed to work or get assistance from GSA. To be totally politically incorrect on my part, that requires a social security number. If they don't have a social security number or they don't pass the background check, no access, no services.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maravetz -- it still does not take away the fact that these men could be hardened criminals convicted of who knows what. I think GSA does provide a great service, however, I feel it could be better served where the homeless and needy reside. It also does not detract from the fact that GSA was not upfront and honest about their intentions. I feel a great majority of residents would have spoken up earlier and this "rumor and fear monger" could have been avoided.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abcorbman, GSA is not a drop off point for hardened criminals. This is another one of the rumors I keep hearing. Do they have some released prisoners that show up at their door? I am sure they do from time to time, but to portray this issue as a regular occurrence is fear mongering. It's simply not a true statement. Again, I see no evidence, other than rumor, that GSA tried to slip something by our community.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maravetz-I am no longer going to dialogue this with you as we can not agree. You chose to see things one way, I another. I reserve my final arguments/decisions for after our Town Hall Meeting where hopefully, GSA can provide the full truth to the community.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abcorbman, that's your choice, I thought we were putting a lot of sunshine on this issue.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maravetz--one quick questions, how do you know, for sure, so much info about GSA? Just wondering......

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hate to burst anyones bubble, but EVERYONE in Loudoun has "hardened criminals" living close by. Check out the VA State Police sex offender registry if you don't believe me.

Check out some of our local business owners on the Virginia Courts website-refer to the Broadlands forum if you don't know what I'm talking about.

There are worse things than homeless shelters. Hospitals, for one, or so I hear. Just ask anyone who lives in the Broadlands...

Posted by qazwsxedcrfv (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The issue has not been hidden from the community. In June the Loudoun Times Mirror (and probably the other free local papers since they all report the same thing) published an article and it clearly states that a day center will be operated at the location.
http://www.loudountimes.com/news/2007/ju...

Excerpt:

Counseling services, a kids' room, chapel, conference room and enlarged day center will also be housed in the Center of Hope.
The day center is where homeless individuals can come to shower, do laundry, use the Internet, check their mail, prepare meals, use the phone and store belongings, Werner said.
She said that the current day center in Leesburg includes these things, but on a much smaller scale.
The new facility will include four bathrooms, allowing up to four people to shower at once.

And yet another article from June in "The Connection" local newspaper.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/arti...

I'm not sure what to think about the location being in Ashburn but I knew since June that it was coming since reading the articles.

Posted by yaddayadda (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I acknowledge that there are criminals all around Loudoun. I have looked at the websites. However, this shelter will not be convenient for those who are in the greatest need. It is not the best place for this shelter. It belongs where its clientele resides. Would you put a Horse Barn in the middle of Sterling when there aren't any horses? No, it is called bad business.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Its time to vote out everbody and start over. This is beyond stupid. Ashburn is a FAMILY community. Lets put the shelter where the homeless are.

Posted by fpersing (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abcorbman, to answer your last question about how I know so much about GSA, I asked a lot of questions and spoke with GSA directly. I also spoke with some folks from my church and others. As a point, I did this six months ago, and decided there was nothing to worry about and that in fact it was a organization and a location to support. By the way, based on your comment @7:56 how is it you know so much about what will be convenient to the homeless in our County?

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fpersing, I happen to agree with your first sentence. :)

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, hospitals are such horrible things to have in your community.
This Broadlands resident would love one.

Posted by shevcoo (anonymous) on October 24, 2007 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This homeless shelter in my neighborhood is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!! If I wanted to live near some sleazy criminal scumbag, I would have elected them to the Board of Supervisors. Oh wait...

Posted by xcop (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone keeps saying that this shelter should be put where the homeless live. That is kinda funny given that they are HOMELESS!! They don't live anywhere.

Posted by lunavalle27 (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

On the topic of criminals, did anyone hear about the BoS candidate who has been putting his campaign signs in the yards of people of a certain background (rhymes with 'this manic') and threatening them with fines if his signs are removed?

Posted by xcop (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why yes, X-Cop. Please check out my report on Too Conservative. My comment is under this post:

NLS Horns in on Loudoun Politics!

No one who is going to tackle illegal immigration should be excused for ILLEGAL Campaign activity!! In several accounts this certain supervisor (whose name rhymes with Fraudio) seems to have trespassed and posted signs on lawns w/out permission. In other cases he promises to invite people to big parties with free food to which they can bring their whole family.

Posted by lunavalle27 (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love it!!! Fpersing says that "Ashburn is a FAMILY community". Guess what? Sterling Park is a FAMILY community. Potomac Falls is a FAMILY community. Cascades is a FAMILY community. Sugarland Run is a FAMILY community. There a lots of FAMILY communities all over Loudoun. So the question is, where are the homeless, and where should their shelter be built so it's not in a FAMILY community? Oh, that's right, all the undesirable facilities in Loudoun should be built east of Rt. 28. Right?

Posted by ronin718 (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, according to Eugene Delgaudio Sterling Park is "actually a crime infested slum".

Posted by lunavalle27 (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

maravetz -- I do not know a lot about the homeless other than the fact that I have not seen a single homeless person in Ashburn. I have seen a few in Leesburg in the past. Also, the county jail is in Leesburg. Therefore, the people GSA wants to help are closer. While I agree with Lunavalle27 that they are homeless so therefore you can not put the facility where they "live", the homeless do tend to stay around an area.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

maravetz - Also, I was only asking since it seemed you were very knowledgable and confident about GSA's true agenda. I thought possibly you worked for them.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

abcorbman, I am a resident of Ashburn Farm and I have no affiliation to GSA and never have. I found out about the GSA facility about six months ago and started to try and get answers to my concerns. Many of my initial concerns are the same ones you are raising. That's how I found out most of what I've mentioned here. The rumors are hurting a very worthy organization hence my support to get the truth out. I thank you for raising the issues, obviously there is a lot of education that needs to happen so people can feel more comfortable with the new GSA facility. I hope for folks to calm down and ask questions rather than to quickly jump to unsubstantiated conclusions.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'"

Matthew 25:44-45

Posted by mail3047723 (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree that the location of this facility seems a bit unusual, given the clientele and their typically limited mobility. However, I have to ask, "Where else?" The facility will always be in SOMEBODY's back yard and with the cost of space, it actually seems like a major achievement that GSA was able to put this together.

And also, I have news for you. You live near criminals, reformed and not. You buy goods and services from smiling, "normal" people that live in their cars and worse. Homeless does not equal criminal and criminal can be a Belmont dad making $500k per year. These people are all around you.

I'm not out to change minds; I know I cannot, especially for those who live near the GSA facility. I recommend, however, that people consider taking a couple hours to volunteer and meet these people. If GSA isn't your cup of tea, Loudoun has some great volunteer opportunities with programs such as Home Delivered Meals and Holiday Coalition. And with Make-a-Difference day coming this Saturday, the time is right to take a closer look at the problem and how you can help.

Posted by locoroaddog (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh no, locoroaddog, we'd rather go on with our pampered lives in our gated communities tending our immaculate gardens and send our kids the the "perfect" schools and pretend those "other" people don't exist. It's easier that way.

Posted by mail3047723 (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For what it's worth, I just received this from the Chairman of the Board of Directors at the Good Shepherd Alliance:

We are not having a shelter at the Ashburn location. There was a lady that came to our groundbreaking but didn't listen and sent out incorrect information to all of Ashburn.

We have no intention of "busing" parole's, men or anyone to the location.

We plan to have a meeting in Ashburn next week (1 Nov 07) at 6:30pm at the Ashburn Elementary School with Lori Waters to help the Ashburn community know of what we plan for the building.

Hopefully, all will welcome what we are doing. We not only help those that are in crisis but those on the brink of bankruptcy, losing their home, illness causing "no" funds to care for their daily needs. food and clothing.

We are a Christian organization called by God to help those in crisis just as Jesus said,

"I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in" [Matthew 25:35].

I continue to pray that all will speak out for the good of others. This past quarter 92% of our guests (clients) left our shelters with jobs, a place to stay and most importantly were "self-sufficient". We want them back in the community working and being a good neighbor.

Have a glorious day:)

joy

In His Service,

Posted by christilyn (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This sad story (along with all of the angry emails that have been forwarded to me)has reminded me why my family left the "bubble" of Ashburn. There are many people in Ashburn that are one car wreck, illness or loss of a job away from being homeless. (As a matter of fact, I know a few of my former very judgmental neighbors are among them, they are just fortunate enough to have had family bail them out of financial distress.) These are NOT bad people, just unfortunate people who need a little help to get up and running again. Wake up and stop being an area known for your greed and selfishness. You are in a position to be able to help those that need help the most. Get out from under that bubble that you have put over yourselves and be good human beings. If you are so concerned about it affecting your property values (lucky you...with that house of yours) check out the shelter in Reston that is right accross the street from the town center and all of the very expensive condos and apartments that are sold within a 1-2 mile radius. Try putting yourselves in someone elses shoes for a change instead of all of that judging that you do from up on your pedestals. Just remember it is a long fall down.....

Posted by clangsam (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

clangsam -- you are the judgemental one here. You do not know what we volunteer for what we don't, what we scarifice and what we don't. We do not live in a bubble at all. You need to get off your pedestal and stop judging everyone. You do not know us. So stop critizing. Do you even live near/within walking distance to the GSA facility? Probably not. The main issue here is not trying to be above everyone else, it is simply what is in the best interest of our children and our community. If you believed your children could be harmed, you would climb off your pedestal and do exactly what we are doing. As stated, we look forward to the Nov. 1 meeting to learn what is truth and what is fiction. It is not a us versus them mentality here. It is simply stated, what is in the best interest of our community, and more importantly, what is in the best interest of our children.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gee abcorbman...a little defensive huh? Hit a little too close to home? Maybe you should read the post above mine and find out the truth from a board member of GSA. So glad that I am over 900 miles away in a place that does not facilitate so much hate and anger! Maybe you shold try that to...you sound a little angry.

Posted by clangsam (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

clangsam -- I am simply defending my community against someone who has such hatred and pent up anger towards it. Ashburn is a wonderful community who has a lot to offer its homeowners and residents. Based upon your previous post, a little defensiveness was necessary. Sometimes you have to defend against those who have the wrong idea about something that is important to you, such as your family and community. Looking forward to the Nov. 1 meeting too bad you won't be able to attend?

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abcorbman, I understand from some of the emails that there is an existing problem with the 7-11 shopping center. Loitering, cut through pedestrians, vagrancy, trash etc. Is this true?

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maravetz -- very true. I walk my daughter through there for dance class 2-3 times a week and must be careful of the broken beer bottles and trash that is left there by loiterers.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abcorbman, I don't doubt your answer, I have wondered about that when I stop there. Can I ask you if there was a similar uproar when the 7-11 shopping center was being built? Was there the same type of resident response to the 7-11 shopping center as there is now for the GSA? I am just curious if there was an precedent for the current GSA dialog.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW! And on Sunday, these same folk will say, "We should love our neighbors and ourselves."

Jesus accepted Mary Magdalene as his neighbor. Why can't you?

Posted by jamdn463 (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maravetz -- I am unsure as I did not live in Ashburn Village at the time the shopping center was built. I would be happy to ask some of my long standing neighbors and get back to you.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maravetz--there was no major response to the shopping center when it was being built. However, there quite a few complaints now especially due to issues I mentioned earlier. I have heard a few other items of interest regarding the GSA. Therefore, I will become better educated on this matter and find out what is fact and what is fiction before I make my final decision regarding the GSA. Best of luck to you.

Posted by abcorbman (anonymous) on October 25, 2007 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

put the shelter in the backyard of the politicians.
i work hard and in spite of the governement's actions still keep enough of my money to provide for my family.
i do not want to live near a bunch of bums.

Posted by deputystoneman (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"a significant number drive to the facility.." has this person driven down Ashburn Road recently - not a particularly easy road to get to. I assume GSA will provide enough parking? Or will the clients use the already crammed parking at the stores?

"met with Ashburn Farm HOA..." Ashburn Farm is NOT in this facility's "back yard". Why didn't they meet with Ashburn Village? or The Courts & Ridges? Or the owners of the stores they will affect?

Unsuitable location. Typically you put your retail location in an area that is most convenient for customers. I live in the area, I don't see a lot of people milling around looking for a meal... yet. Road is not suitable for more public transportation, which taxpayers will pay for. We currently do not have significant patrolling of the area, which tax payers will pay for.

Sorry that such a fine organization paid $1,850K for the location - but they will lose my support, both personnally and professionally, if they put a significant burden on my neighborhood.

Posted by siracuse (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW - no support, privately or publicly, no funds, no center. Get the picture guys? Elect those that do not support re-zoning and approving inappropriately; contribute your funds to organizations that meet your goals - there are plenty out there that need your help; do not belong to organizations that fund projects offensive to you. Unfortunately, this affects a fine organization that has helped many, many people in our LOUDOUN communtiy that have fallen on hard times. Rethink this GSA, or have amazing answers on 11/1.

Anyone know of a similar organization that services this same client base? Need a new place to put my money.

Posted by siracuse (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

abcorbman, I respect and appreciate your 7:43 comment. Thank you.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have never seen anyone carry their house on their back into eternity. Consider these verses as you worry about your property values.

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matthew 19:24

"The poor are shunned even by their neigbors, but the rich have many friends. He who despises his neighbor sins, but blessed is he who is kind to the needy." Proverbs 14:20-21.

I and many others at my church, Ashburn Presbyterian, welcome GSA to our neighborhood and look forward to the opportunity to work with you in service to the needy as commanded by Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Posted by nozall (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about if the Christian Fellowship Church on Beaumeade donates space for the facility? That way the homeless can work at the warehouses there and not be immediately next to houses. It's also conveniently located off Waxpool.

Posted by yaddayadda (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nozall,

I would guess you have never seen anyone carry anything to enternity or it is unlikely you would be conversing with us online... yes?

Should keep religion out of this - it offends more than it brings on board. Assuming there is a higher being, it is pretty safe to assume he/she/it doesn't want his/her/its name used to inflame or insult others.

Posted by siracuse (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siracuse - Have you seen anyone take their material goods with them when they die? Even if you don't believe in an afterlife, and think the grave is all there is, you will leave all you accumulate in life behind. I hope you never suffer the misfortune to be poor or homeless. As for me, "there but for the grace of God go I." I pity anyone who is insulted or inflamed by the word of God. Many of us try to live our lives guided by our religious beliefs, and we live here too, so get over your predjudice against believers. I fear the priveleged Ashburn teenagers who roar up and down our neighborhood streets in the new cars provided to them by their wealthy (and often inattentive) parents far more that I fear a homeless person in need of a shower and a hot meal.

Posted by nozall (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nozall - as in Knows All? That explains it.

Where do you live? I am sure that GSA can use another shower stall.

Posted by siracuse (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siracuse - Catchy name, isn't it? I live in a lovely home in Ashburn Farm. We are fortunate enough to have more bathrooms than people in our home ,which I have shared many times with others in need. You should try it sometime if you haven't done so already, there is really nothing like the feeling one gets from helping others.

Posted by nozall (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am glad to hear it. My family and I volunteer quite often as well, and contribute professionally & personally to several organizations. I am a spiritual person, just don't see the need to broadcast my affiliations. I am also sure that GSA has contacted the park authorities to address additional traffic on the WO&D trail (are you near that? pretty much the only part of Ashburn Farm that will be affected). As this location is illogical for vehicular, bicycle, or public transportation, doesn't even have sidewalks for pedestrians, I have to assume it was chosen to allow for bicycle or pedestrian access via the trail.
Enough though. I'll ask the questions on 11/1. Hope to see you there. Should be an interesting meeting, I hope we can keep our heated opinions to ourselves and see what the true plans are.

God Bless.

Posted by siracuse (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And may God Bless you, too, siracuse.

Posted by nozall (anonymous) on October 26, 2007 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone here seen a GSA facility in action? I have visited the GSA facility in Leesburg on Sycolin Rd. several times. It has administrative offices and a drop-in center. The Ashburn facility will have the same functions but will add a thrift store (some Ashburn residents may even enjoy the convenience of having a thrift store near by).

Anyway, no one will be spending the night. FWIW - My experience has been that the drop-in center was well-run and utilized by people that did not appear threatening or dangerous. No one was loitering outside. Many of the “clients” are white-collar workers and could have just as easily been residents of Ashburn as anywhere else. These are people checking email, using the phones and trying to line up work. I understand a background check is required to even use the facility. A background check is NOT required for someone moving next door to you.

GSA has been in Loudoun County a number of years and has a great track record of helping those less fortunate than us. They deserve the benefit of the doubt and a fair hearing this week.

Posted by davidjpaul (anonymous) on October 28, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow - some very interesting discussions on this topic - on both sides of the issue. Just from a logistical stand point, a location on Ashburn Road is a bad idea. The road is not able to handle the current load - I can't imagine what will happen when a bus route is added to it. Parking is also a nightmare. The existing retail centers don't have enough parking as it is - so let's add more traffic. Yikes! I agree that we need to reach out and help those in need (and yes, my family is actively involved in voluteer opportunities), however Ashburn Road is not the correct location for this organization. There is lots of new commercial space being built in Ashburn - that is where the Center of Hope should be located - an easily accessible location with lots of parking.

Posted by creativeklock (anonymous) on October 29, 2007 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I haven't been following this that closely, but if there is already a GSA facility in Leesburg on Sycolin Road, why would they build another one in Ashburn that they are going to drive people between it and Leesburg? That location is not very good either. Why not along Route 7 or the Greenway, or expand the one in Leesburg if it's too small?

Posted by xcop (anonymous) on October 29, 2007 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I understand that the Ashburn facility will replace both the Sycolin Rd. facility and the Sterling thrift store. I would imagine this may save GSA money and allow them to be more efficient in providing services. I have not heard that people will be bused to Ashburn facility so I don’t know if that’s true.

Posted by davidjpaul (anonymous) on October 29, 2007 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

creativeklock,

What traffic data are you using to estimate how much traffic the Center for Hope will be creating? The Center will not be using any of the existing retail parking, it will have it's own parking lot, in the general area of the current tent. The architect renderings show ample parking.

Posted by maravetz (anonymous) on October 29, 2007 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry to bring in politics, but it is an election year. Why is it the that the Broad Run BOS is just now coming on board with this? Should she have addressed this months ago with constients? You know, a similar thing happened with Belmont Station Elementary School where a gas station/convenient store is being built next to the school. A meeting was held with concern parent about this project and how it got approved. Now, neither of these projects required BOS approval, but it would seem that if our BOS was playing attention to items that affect our district, we wouldn't be having this meeting on 11/1.

Think about that, next week is your chance to vote. Who do you want to represent our district? Someone who knows what going on or someone that jumps on the bandwagon when people start complaining about something? Maybe there's a place in the new Lansdowne Town center for GSA's new home?

Posted by yind2b (anonymous) on October 29, 2007 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! Looks like Broad Run's BOS is moving up in the world:

PIN: 112-40-3897-000
Tax Map Number: /62/K39////29/
Year: 2007 Property Address
43877 RIVERPOINT DR
LEESBURG VA 20176

Current Owner Name/Address
WATERS, MATTHEW R & LORI L R/S
43877 RIVERPOINT DR
LEESBURG VA 20176 Current Legal Description
LANSDOWNE ON THE POTOMAC
200707300056190
200412210136375P
SEC.25B LOT 29
Acreage: 0.24
Land Book Owner As of Jan 1, 2007
B L HOMES LANSDOWNE LLC
8500 EXECUTIVE PARK AVE STE 30
FAIRFAX VA 22031-2225
Land Book Legal Description
LANSDOWNE ON THE POTOMAC
200510210118757 (11)
200412210136375P
SEC.25B LOT 29
Acreage: 0.24

Sales Information/Group# 859 Recordation Date: 07/30/2007
Sale Price: $877,665
Most recent Instrument ID: 200707300056190
Deed Year: 2007

Total Parcel Assessment Information Land: $174,900
Improvements: $0
Fair Market Total: $174,900
Land Use: $0
New Construction
Prorated Improvement Value: $160,300
Number of Months Prorated: 5

Miscellaneous State Use Classification: URBAN SINGLE FAMILY
Billing District: BROAD RUN
Election District: BROAD RN
Affordable Dwelling Unit: NO Agricultural District: N/A
Tax District:
Tax Code: TAXABLE

Structure Information #1 Assessment: $0
Year Built: 2007
Total Living Area: 4,240
Occupancy Code: SINGLE FAM
Address:
43877 RIVERPOINT DR
LEESBURG VA 20176

Posted by yind2b (anonymous) on October 30, 2007 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by salmann (anonymous) on October 30, 2007 at 9:33 p.m.

Give me a break. More lies and hyperbole from the nasty Jack Ryan gang. See Lori Waters' website for the real facts (www.votelori.com) . Guess what, her husband Matt is successful - what's the problem?

Posted by jeffwolinski (anonymous) on October 30, 2007 at 11:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There you go again Jeff, a little too intense! Nasty nasty! We know you LOVE Ms. Waters, but you need to temper those accusations!

Be kind, do good!

Posted by salmann (anonymous) on November 2, 2007 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeff - there you go again. Ms. Waters needs to acknowledge that she knew about this project over six months ago. Now there several explanations: 1. Perhaps she was told that a homeless shelter wasn't going to have homeless folks there, and she naively believed that 2. perhaps she knew about it and didn't care because it was quite a ways away from her house 3. perhaps she was so busy worrying about the problems of her Lovettesville supporters that she simply ignored it. In any case, a true leader would have been proactive and sought out a compromise long ago.

Posted by dave.olson (anonymous) on November 2, 2007 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sally Mann, I am intense but completely in control. I am very kind and I do a lot of good.
Dave Olson is a bitter old man. Jack Ryan and his band of fools stirred this pot. Lori Waters once again outclassed and outworked this gang, as she did at the convention. They still haven't gotten over it. You and your Lovettsville conspiracy theories are really out of touch.

Posted by jeffwolinski (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 12:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Salmann you sound like a good person trying to tame a out of control nut. I agreed with you in another blog and do so here as well. I do live in Ashburn and I do not know Salman at all. But one thing I do know is that our current supervisor knew about this 6mths ago and jeffwolinski has yet to admit she messed up and should have told everyone about it! Come on Jeffwolinski admit it she should have protected the people of ashburn and the homeless and Ms Waters Failed. Or are you guys still blaming the GSA?

Posted by nancymsk (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nancy, there is an out of control nut on these boards, and it isn't me! I am not blaming GSA at all. Obviously there was a lot of miscommunication. GSA is a well meaning charitable organization. Mrs. Waters has brokered a plan that has been praised by both sides of this argument, in yet another example of her skills. You on the other hand continue to push a failure of a candidate in Jack Ryan, including the latest innaccurate ridiculously false "attack" ad that you're so proud of. Yet another mistake from the Ryan crew that will backfire. Do you guys realize just how many people have asked for signs (that keep getting stolen by the way) and volunteered for her after meeting the venom-speweing Jack Ryan all-stars? Your unbridled negativity has turned off many more good citizens than you could ever hope to win over. For those who want the real story, go to www.votelori.com .

Posted by jeffwolinski (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeff, you have shown how low you will go, attacking anyone who gets in your Lori's way. All you do is lie. Especially with the obscene things you post, inlcuding the anonymous, Loudoun Insider posts about Jack Ryan--disgusting, obscene, rude, wrong, evil... people should know who Lori Waters supporters are and what they are really like. I cannot believe Lori is blaming GSA for somehow being deceptive, and still claiming she is a good Christian woman. Good Christians tell the truth. With your "anonymous" multi personalities that we all know, abusing the internet, and you still wonder why Ms. Waters was called "juvenile?" Her handling of this is a perfect example, of how you and she do not have the wisdom or experience for the job.

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Posted by dave.olson (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 12:32 p.m.

Jeff, since you are directing readers to Lori's website, to find "truth" I would like to point out the "facts" on Lori's website are not true. For Cameron Chase Village Center, I have spent a month reading all the documents, and it was part of the Ashburn Center rezoning in 1990 (not the 1980's). The rezoning had something called "proffers" for this site, owned by York's employer, Service Star. The site plan was approved without the current uses shown in December 2003 (not 2002) right before Ms. Waters took office. The site plan was amended in 2004-2006 to allow uses not allowed under the original rezoning or the current zoning ordinance. The proffers were ignored, and the uses installed are special exception uses that should have required public hearings. If you are going to direct readers to Ms. Water's "truth" on her website, then others should be allowed to point out the LIES. She is not an honest broker, but an ambitious politician who will say or do whatever she needs to get more power, sacrifcing the public interest if she can get away with it. A favor to York's employer? why? power? Don't trust her! or York.

Posted by MANN12 (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeff - Actually Jack Ryan took the the positive step of writing to the county and asking them to issue a stop work order on the project. That would give everyone enough time to look at the facts.

Posted by dave.olson (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I absolutely don't need anger management, Dave, you're the one who continues your quixotic quest with Jack Ryan constantly seething at Lori Waters. Jack's letter had zero effect on this issue. Lori Waters brokered the deal which has satisfied most of those involved. She should be commended for it. Yet anther incomprehensible unhinged rant from MANN12. People need to just look the other way.

Posted by jeffwolinski (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know Jack Ryan well, but he ususally has a huge relaxed smile on his face, whereas Ms. Waters looks anorexic, pale, tense and very angry usually. She "brokered a deal"??? She could not even get the zoning administrator to give an opinion, after the zoning administrator has already issued zoning permits! Supposedly the zoning administrator is "too busy" (doing what?) to get to this for a few weeks... hmmm.

Lori did not do anything but waffle and blame others...typical lashing out at others (just like you do, Jeff.) She is a very troubled young woman, and if she knew what was best for her, she would be happy to lose this election...

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Posted by MANN12 (anonymous) on November 3, 2007 at 6:11 p.m.

I am not sensitive at all! The truth does hurt, and I'm not hurting either.

Posted by jeffwolinski (anonymous) on November 4, 2007 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms. Waters rightly has identified the issue regarding GSA as a matter of "trust." Who can we trust? York got a staff report in four days for his employers' last zoning modification request, and on the public hearing docket in less than a month...but the zoning administrator needs more than a month to review all the previous approvals she has made for GSA, site plan approvals, zoning permit approvals...why does she need so much time? so Lori and Scott can game the electorate? pretending they will do something, when it has already been approved...? Do you really trust Lori Waters? or Scott York? they could have gotten an opinion from the zoning administrator in a day or so, if they had really wanted one...

Truth is Ms. Waters is the one we cannot trust. She took campaign money from the Republican party, promising to support the party, then runs with Scott York against them all...shameful dishonesty...The Republicans would not have given her all that money if they had known in the last week of the election she would ignore her agreement and run a full page add against Steve Snow or participate in a We Love Scott York add. Scott York has already shown how little he cares about Ashburn with his employer's property at Cameron Chase--getting admin approvals for uses that violate previous proffers and are not allowed under the zoning ordinance... You cannot trust Lori Waters, she does not stand for anything except her own blind ambition and lust for power. She has no standards except double standards, double talking, double dealiing.. dishonesty. Please vote for someone else. It is not a matter of Trust with GSA, it is a matter of Trust for Lori Waters...

Posted by salmann (anonymous) on November 4, 2007 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chalk up another 100 votes each for Waters and York!

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